Posted by: sweeneyblog | March 6, 2015

Friday Odds and Ends: Sometimes Republicans Say Horrible Things

Hello Loyal Readers,

Yes, as the title says, the unintentional theme of this Odds and Ends is local Republicans saying terrible things. So let’s dive right in.

State Senator Jim Honeyford (R-Yakima) was speaking in opposition to a SB5752, a bill that would include a racial impact statement with certain bills, in an attempt to address issues where white and minority citizens are facing drastically different enforcement from the same legislation. What did Honeyford say that earned a spot in this list? “I said the poor are more likely to commit crimes, and, uh, colored most likely to be poor.” You can find it at the 50 minute mark here. The wince factor in the room is palpable. Interesting note, Honeyford’s district has one of the highest concentration of Latino voters in Washington.

Locally, the Whatcom County Charter Review Commission pushes for prayer. After Tea Party activists swept the charter review, it has been churning out a slew of bad ideas from the mildly obnoxious (district only voting) to the truly horrifying (cutting off funding the Whatcom Food Bank). Now, they want to open their meetings with an explicitly Christian prayer. Cliff Langley made the request in which he said,

Cliff Langley

Cliff Langley

In this situation of this assembly, groping as it were in the dark to find political truth, and scarce able to distinguish it when presented to us, how has it happened, sir, that we have not hitherto once thought of humbly applying to the Father of lights to illuminate our understanding?

In the beginning of the contest with Great Britain, when we were sensible of danger, we had daily prayers in this room for the Divine protection……. Our prayers sir were heard…..To that Providence we owe this happy opportunity. Of consulting in peace on the means of establishing our future national felicity. And have we now forgotten that powerful Friend ? Or do we imagine that we no longer need His assistance?

I therefore beg leave to move that henceforth prayers imploring the assistance of Heaven, and its blessings on our deliberations, be held in this assembly every morning……

Richard May

Richard May

Obviously, Langley is not a big fan of separation of Church and State. Richard May, who leans more Democratic but managed to win a seat even in the conservative wave, had this response,

If a majority of the commission rule that prayer is permissible as part of the official proceeding, then i will ensure that the invitation is open for “other faith’s” prayers to be included… unless the commission wants to go on record that Christianity is the official state religion of Whatcom County. But only Sharia states have an official government religion, right?
I would 100% support a minute of silence during which each commissioner could reconcile whatever they wish.

Finally, the Gateway Pacific Terminal advocates have decided to weigh in on the Conservation District election, where long-time farming advocate Joy Monjure is facing off against Whatcom Republican party officer Larry Helm. The Conservation District helps farmers manage their resources and in the coming struggle over water rights in this community, it could be a key position. Full disclosure, I worked on Monjure’s campaign for State Legislature last year.

The Coal Port advocates sent out a reminder about the race, since their proposal would consume hundreds of thousands of gallons of water, they have a vested interest in the outcome.



  1. Great response, Richard May!

  2. Richard May – a voice of reason in the wilderness, thank goodness.

    If I had been in the room, I would probably have muttered loud enough to be heard, ‘If a Tea Party conservative speaks and there is no one else around to hear, is it still stupid?’

  3. “Father of Light?” Green Lantern?

    • “In brightest day, in blackest night,
      No evil shall escape my sight.
      Let those who worship evil’s might
      Beware my power–Green Lantern’s light!”

      I would accept this as our opening prayer.

      • That would be glorious!

  4. Riley,
    The statement attributed to Commissioner Langley was actually made by Benjamin Franklin, I believe.

    The (unsigned) letter sent to Jill at the Charter Review Commission was attributed to Commissioner Langley and had a shorter suggested invocation. It would be helpful if you reprinted it for your readers.

    • I linked it so that people can read the letter itself.

  5. Watching the senate on tvw this morning found women in the gallery being removed after yelling Honeyford doesn’t represent his voters in his district..
    I’m glad to know what he did to warrant that kind of outburst.

  6. I guess there is nothing positive to talk about this week.

    • Why would you care, Mr. Flip McCheapshot?

      • Another response from the Peanut Gallery.

        Thankyou for your feeble attempt.

      • Peanut McFeeble trumps Flipper McCheapshot.

  7. I have just heard that commissioner Langley has withdrawn the prayer ammendment, and also one that would have made the “at large” council seat be voted on by just any citizens in the unincorporated county and not by any citizens living within any city limit. (ie under district only voting, Ferndale residents get to vote for 2 commissioners, Custer residents get to vote for 3)

    • Although I am opposed to Cliff Langley’s amendment, I took some of his ideas for my own. I emailed it to commissioners, and it can be found on my blog,

    • The argument that residents in cities are unrepresented because of not being allowed to elect as many councilmembers under Langley’s amendment doesn’t make sense. In cities, we are represented by a whole other level of government (the city government).

  8. Oooh ooh oooh can we say a prayer to Pan before each session? Or the Flying Spaghetti Monster?

  9. As I have said many times already, the Charter Review Commission should meet for an hour-and-a-half of good ole boy stories and then adjourn, changing nothing. Then they can add the experience to their CV with no loss of face.

    • Maybe you should have run yourself rather than grousing from your cabbage patch Walter!

      • Back when I was a migrant worker, picking fruit and being exploited right along with the Mexicans, the farmers used to say, “If a tramp ain’t bitchin’ he ain’t happy.”

        Besides, I heard enough good ole boy stories in my brief tenure on the Planning Commission. Why would I want to torture myself any more?

  10. Tempest in a tea(party)pot. The charter review commission is looking more and more like the mad tea party scene from Alice In Wonderland. The hatters went mad because of the mercury they were exposed to in their trade. Perhaps too much cow shit in the county water table is affecting the judgement of some WCCRC members.

    • Well put Mike.

  11. After reading Mike Cohen’s editorial in today’s Herald, I’m having trouble reconciling the apparent desire of one (or more?) commissioners to open the meeting in christian prayer, with the desire of one (or more) commissioners to not allow the County to partner with local civic and nonprofit organizations to deliver much-needed services and help to vulnerable people in our community (proposed amendment 7). These partnerships are effective and cost-efficient ways to deliver a range of services to people who need them, without necessarily growing a large government bureaucracy or relying on our already stretched local charitable groups and churches. Perhaps the Commission meetings should open with a minute’s silence, wherein the Commissioners are invited to reflect upon the fact that they too are only one medical, financial or natural catastrophe away from needing help, and that our Charter should encourage us all to treat others as we would have them treat us, especially in times of need or trouble.

    • ++++ – it’s all about the Bad Dad version – “Do as I say, not as I do”.

    • I love it when someone says something so poignant in the comments that I wish I had included it in the article. Case in point.

  12. Riley,

    This column should have been called “Republicans try to do horrible things.”


    • And the next column should be “Republicans are successful in doing horrible things.”

      • How about Democrats are successful in doing horrible things:

        Obamacare, Common Core, Executive Amnesty, banning ammo, denying states rights, etc, etc, ad nauseum.

      • Okay, guys. Republicans and Democrats both do horrible things.

  13. It’s easy to say and do horrible things when you think that you are saying and doing good things. Some people think that it would be good to have more religion and prayer in government. They don’t see the trouble that it would make.

  14. Wow, this is a pretty small minded conversation.

    Since the arrival of the pilgrims, over 300 hundred years ago, America has been a welcoming safe haven for religious groups that were fleeing persecution. Many, many Christians have landed here, as some of you enlightened commenters may have noticed. Some of you do not sound too welcoming.

    Surprise, there is some “Thanks to the Almighty for our many blessings”, that have crept into our public institutions. I personally have survived many public prayers unscathed. I have a hard time believing anything cannot be proved, which covers all religions, but I do find it soothing to take the time to generally be grateful in the fine life we live. These few words of public prayer have not scarred me for life. Actually, they have not scarred me at all.

    I hate to see people claiming to be tolerant of others, throwing so many stones.

    Giving thanks to the Creator, covers most religions, and American Indians.

    The words “Separation of church and State” do not exist in our Constitution. Our Founding Fathers, had respect for Christianity, when they wrote the Constitution. What do you think they would have thought of today’s characterization of their words?

    Mr. May, I hope you were not entertaining the inclusion of some Muslim prayer. Hard to have warm tolerant feelings toward this religion when they have followers beheading Christians on Youtube and persecution of Christians and Jews has become common in any, and all Muslim nations.

    Hard to watch a religion celebrating in the streets 9/11, and then give them toleration. Far too many Muslims believe in ‘Death to America” for my blood.
    I think some of them really believe it.

    You could propose a little Sharia prayer. That would be politically courageous, and certainly get you noticed.

    • Very good Doug.

      • America is a free country that grants freedom of religion in its constitution. Christianity isn’t the state religion.

        And NO, Muslims NEVER celebrated 9/11. It was the hardliner conservative Muslims that did 9/11, and VERY few Muslims actually agreed with 9/11.

        Riley, you should FOR SURE delete comments that are a direct attack on the religions that some of the readers of your blog might believe in. Racist comments should NOT be tolerated.

  15. Mr. Gibson,

    Being cautious with a religion that has and is fomented so much violence worldwide, is not racism. Race has nothing to do with it.

    If one reads the Koran, you will find support for the killing of non-believers and the intolerable treatment of women. There is a portion of Sharia Law that I believe is totally unacceptable to America and its culture.

    I do not mean to paint all Muslims with a nasty black brush. Most Muslims I understand do not believe in this orthodox view of their religion, but one cannot ignore the plain and simple language in the Koran.

    I am a stickler for facts, and there are more than 100,000,000 Muslims which believe that “terrorism” is sometimes acceptable, and far more support Sharia Law.

    Here is where I got my estimates of radical Muslims. Pew produced most of these numbers, and I trust their research.


    There are more radical Muslims than supporters of Hitler, Mussolini, and Hirohito put together.

    Radical Muslims are a serious threat to world peace as they look for a scapegoat to the results of poor governments and sexism which stunts their societies growth as they ignore and mistreat 50% of their population (women), and now one radical Muslim nation wants an atomic bomb, which will begin an arms race as other countries to get an atomic bomb.

    This is a very dangerous situation.

    If a Muslim wishes to swear off terrorism and death to non-believers, full rights and honoring women as equal, then by all means your are welcome to join American society.

    If not, then please find another home.

    Mr. Gibson, I do not believe this a racist position, I don’t support ANY religion which promotes violence towards non-believers or women.

    Lastly, I lived in Iran for three months, and I can guarantee you that most Americans will not support importing these radical and oppressive Muslim beliefs on our shores. I have seen this type of radical Islam with my own eyes, and there are far too many Muslims that hold these beliefs than is safe for the world to ignore the threat.

    • Doug, the bible calls for killing all nonbelievers too. Atrocities has been done in the names of many Faiths. It is extremism that drives men to violence, not which holy book they read.

      • Doug- the blogmaster seems to win here. Another way to look at this is to consider how well the persecuted Christians that moved to North America treated and respected the religious traditions of the people who already lived here. As well as the waves of persecution that followed the arrival of any new group. Not a great track record.

      • Bernie,

        I really do not care about what happened 100 years ago or more. It is not relevant. I am talking about bad acts by people who are alive today.

        I think what I am talking about is, the here and now.

        I am an equal opportunity critic.

        Show me a religion that is currently killing and oppressing in the name of God, and I will be critical of them. The critical word is currently Bernie. If a religion has given up their evil ways, then welcome. I do not hate religion, but I do hate violence and oppression.

        Any religion which believes in killing Non-believers or mistreating women, should not be allowed into our country, for all our safety. Nor should we be importing religious laws from any religion.We already have a enough laws.

        Radical Islam has far too many followers, and is inherently dangerous to Western countries values and culture for my taste.

        I am unwilling to paint today’s Christians with the black brush of long past sins. I try to focus on the religions of today, not yesterday, as we could go back thousands of years, and then attempting to attribute some act 1,000 years ago to the folks going to church today.

        I just cannot go there with you.

        But, to each their own Bernie.

      • Abortion clinic bombings – done by modern day Christian extremists. I don’t believe Islam is incompatible or as you put it “inherently dangerous” to Western countries. Extremism is a problem with ALL faiths and belief systems.

      • Bernie, I am kinda of hardass when it comes to extremists. Terrorist bombers from any religion, or the KKK should be put in row boats and set adrift.

        The problem is twofold. One is there is the sheer numbers of radical Muslims. Best guess is that there are 100 million plus who believe in terrorism as a tool to be used against civilians. That is a huge and frightening number.

        How do we keep this many radical Muslims from killing more people, is a serious and real problem. Not a day goes by that they are not killing people in dozens of countries. The sheer scope of this radical Islam is daunting. Radical Muslims are showing up and killing people in all Western nations.

        The second issue for me is how they treat women, which is completely and wholly incompatible with Western values. This problem is endemic throughout Islam and not just radical Islam.

        Unless you guys would like to see us go backwards on women’s rights.

        Look fellas I understand your point that not all Muslims are radical, but most if not all religions have had to change some of their ways to assimilate into our culture, and it was not always optional. The Mormons had to give up polygamy, and their church had to agree to this in writing. Many Muslims believe in polygamy. Sharia law supports polygamy, as women are just chattel in most of the Muslim world.

        Do either of you really thinks that the way the Muslim religion treats women, is compatible with Western values?

        Come on fellas step up and defend this widespread Muslim practice. Soon as your wives read that, my nasty blogs will be the least of your problems.

        There is time for Islam to reform and repent, until then I think caution is in order.

      • Doug, I really recommend that you seek out more information about Islam and the current struggles within the faith to get a more balanced perspective.

      • or try this comparison. In many ways, the ISIS thugs are rather similar to our KKK. Imagine what those terrorists would have posted on the interwebs, in the name of the Christian god, if that technology were around between 1870 and 1930 (or later)?

      • Not the New Testament.

  16. “Any religion which believes in killing Non-believers or mistreating women, should not be allowed into our country, for all our safety. Nor should we be importing religious laws from any religion.We already have a enough laws.”

    Apparently you hate non-believers in Christianity. Christianity believes in mistreating non-believers, and mistreating women.

    • Mr. Gibson, I am a agnostic and live in Lynden, and I have been treated with nothing but respect.

      You obviously assumed you knew me, and were in error.

      I simply have not seen the mistreatment of women and non-Christians that you have Mr. Gibson.

      Just so you guys get this through your clouded minds. I don’t support any mistreatment of women, or killing non-believers, from anybody or any religion.

      And Riley, did you miss the part where I lived in Iran for three months. Trust me, we do not want this type of Islam here. Literally “Death to America” on every street corner. I did not just read about this Muslim thing in a book. They act like Nazis, and I have seen this with my own eyes. Truly frightening.

      Riley, I have also lived in Turkey for a while, which has been a more moderate form of Islam. Unfortunately this is changing as the radical form of Islam is great for controlling the masses, and because of this radical Islam is spreading throughout the Mideast as a struggle for power feeds this brand of Islam.

      You all seem to be unable to see any risk to the spread of Islam.

      The list of carnage both within our country and outside our country has become quite lengthy over the last twenty years. Even the Nazis did not televise their atrocities. Truly shocking stuff. At the heart of this misguided religion are Mullahs (Priests) which is how this religion keeps its particular type of hatred alive. Indoctrination of kids is institutionalized, ensuring fresh recruits for years to come.Mullahs keep their authority via Sharia Law. There are literally millions who believe this crap. Sharia Law is not cute.

      I am certain that most Muslims are peaceable and law abiding, but there is something very wrong within this religion. Right now this radical Islam is very dangerous, and killing lots of people.

      Riley, if you look at the Pew research, it indicates that even in America 8% of Muslims think that terrorism can sometimes be justified. Now go a review the video of the Boston marathon bombings. It is incomprehensible to me how anybody can justify this carnage of civilians, including children.

      8% is 200,000 Muslims in the US think this sort of terrorism might be justified.

      According to Pew, there are 181,000,000 Muslims worldwide which think that terrorism is sometimes justified. 181,000,000 people is a huge number of people, and far eclipses any threat from the KKK or Christianity you fellas are attempting to make comparisons to.

      I just have a hard time celebrating this religion, considering the death toll. I have not seen any religion do anything like this during my life. They fight from the shadows, moving within the circle of like minded Muslims. Killing journalists which might criticize their religion.

      I wish the peaceable Muslims were more vocal against this radical Islam.

      Tough to sort out who the good Muslims are, and who the bad Muslims are.

      How do you tell?

      Very dangerous, and caution is in order in my opinion.

      Nice debate fellas.

  17. Douglas Karlberg – All religions are crap. There, are you happy now?

    • Ah, Mr. Haugen, you seem a little grumpy.

      • he is a “grumphy” anarchist that the world has passed by.

      • Walter was born grumpy and will die grumpy.

      • To paraphrase Isaac Newton, “If I can see further than you, it is because I am standing on the shoulders of giants.” However, what I see standing on the shoulders of giants is a whole bunch of rightwing whackos in their silly little tri-corner hats (some with tinfoil edging!) stretching out to the horizon; their collective IQ the equal of a snail and their collective political common sense equal to a 5th-grade schoolyard bully.

        You bet I’m grumpy Wayne! Once I drive you and your whacko compatriots back under your rocks, I can take a break and have a breather.

      • That will never happen Walter. you will be hanging from the yardarm.
        LOL! 🙂

  18. By their fruits ye shall know them – this applies to our government also which must appear mighty terroristic to those being droned into oblivion (oblivion, or a million virgins, or a million angels with harps or a lake of burning fire or whatever other nonsense you have to profess about the afterlife to be a member of a religion). What is the religion of our federal edifice? I don;t think it is Christianity, but rather imperial state expansionist capitalism. But we are officially secular – which makes the federal edifice the enemy of Islam, which punishes the infidel with at a minimum second-class citizen status. Ask any Egyptian Copt or Iraqi Assyrian Christian. They are fleeing. Here within the empire life is pretty soft. While it lasts. I’m very concerned about both the intelligence and loyalty of the upper echelons in our oligarchy. And the apparent lack of any feeling of obligation to regular citizens – noblesse oblige not being a particularly valued sentiment among the oligarchy of greed.

    • That is a real indictment of our President. Expect an I. R. S. audit soon.

      • I am certain that a religion that gives away virgins, will be welcomed with open arms. Gloria Steinhem eat your heart out.

      • Religions don’t “give away virgins”, people do.

      • I agree with you Wayne as long as you mean “president”generically – Bush the Second started the whole shitshow in Iraq and lied repeatedly, along with his entire administration, to “sell” his war. Obama just continued it, expanded it into Libya, tried to expand into Syria (and may yet get there), and appears to have fomented and aided the current civil war in Ukraine.

        The war machine leaves chaos and destruction in its wake – is it any wonder the Muslim world is up in arms? Wouldn’t you be if you;d been invaded, bombed, and droned for over ten years? Talk about blaming the victim – “radical Islam” – wouldn’t have been one tenth as radical if we hadn’t given them cause.

        And if you think 9-11 had anything to do with radical Islam I have a portfolio of junk mortgages to sell you at face value.

  19. My My! What a conversation. No one except the last writer seems to want to consider what the American/Western Capitalist empire is wreaking on the world. I think it would be an interesting contest for who is killing the most people. Is beheading more barbaric than drones killing entire families at weddings, etc.? And in sheer numbers – seriously? I think somehow we would win that one.

    Humanity is on a seriously slippery slope here. There is a long and brutal history of inhumanity towards the “other”. Local Charter Review commission members want to defund services to the poor? Stalwart tea party members who call themselves Christians and want our county to stop caring about the less fortunate? Divide the cities from the county?

    Seriously? Religion(s) has(have) contributed more to this inhumanity than any other belief system. The incredible paranoid notions about the “other” generated by religiosity.

    It is way past time to throw off the burden of fundamentalism in whatever religion/belief it occurs. Time for the blinders to come off and open our hearts to all humanity.

    I’m with Walter Haugen. A sensible and THINKING person.


  20. Most Americans are unaware of the fact that over two hundred years ago the United States had declared war on Islam and Thomas Jefferson led the charge!

    At the height of the eighteenth century, Muslim pirates were the terror of the Mediterranean and a large area of the North Atlantic.

    They attacked every ship in sight, and held the crews for exorbitant ransoms. Those taken hostage were subjected to barbaric treatment and wrote heart-breaking letters home, begging their government and family members to pay whatever their Mohammedan captors demanded.

    These extortionists of the high seas represented the Islamic nations of Tripoli, Tunis, Morocco, and Algiers – collectively referred to as the Barbary Coast – and presented a dangerous and unprovoked threat to the new American Republic.

    Before the Revolutionary War, U.S. merchant ships had been under the protection of Great Britain. When the U.S. declared its independence and entered into war, the ships of the United States were protected by France. However, once the war was won, America had to protect its own fleets.

    Thus, the birth of the U.S. Navy. Beginning in 1784, seventeen years before he would become president, Thomas Jefferson became America’s Minister to France. That same year, the U.S. Congress sought to appease its Muslim adversaries by following in the footsteps of European nations who paid bribes to the Barbary States rather than engaging them in war.

    In July of 1785, Algerian pirates captured American ships, and the Dye of Algiers demanded an unheard-of ransom of $60,000. It was a plain and simple case of extortion, and Thomas Jefferson was vehemently opposed to any further payments. Instead, he proposed to Congress the formation of a coalition of allied nations who together could force the Islamic states into peace. A disinterested Congress decided to pay the ransom.

    In 1786, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams met with Tripoli’s ambassador to Great Britain to ask by what right his nation attacked American ships and enslaved American citizens, and why Muslims held so much hostility towards America, a nation with which they had no previous contacts.

    The two future presidents reported that Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja had answered that Islam “was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Quran that all nations who would not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Muslim who should be slain in Battle was sure to go to Paradise.”

    Despite this stunning admission of premeditated violence on non-Muslim nations, as well as the objections of many notable American leaders, including George Washington, who warned that caving in was both wrong and would only further embolden the enemy, for the following fifteen years the American government paid the Muslims millions of dollars for the safe passage of American ships or the return of American hostages. The payments in ransom and tribute amounted to over twenty percent of the United States government annual revenues in 1800.

    Jefferson was disgusted. Shortly after his being sworn in as the third President of the United States in 1801, the Pasha of Tripoli sent him a note demanding the immediate payment of $225,000 plus $25,000 a year for every year forthcoming. That changed everything.
    Jefferson let the Pasha know, in no uncertain terms, what he could do with his demand. The Pasha responded by cutting down the flagpole at the American consulate and declared war on the United States. Tunis, Morocco, and Algiers immediately followed suit. Jefferson, until now, had been against America raising a naval force for anything beyond coastal defense, but, having watched his nation be cowed by Islamic thugery for long enough, decided that is was finally time to meet force with force.

    He dispatched a squadron of frigates to the Mediterranean and taught the Muslim nations of the Barbary Coast a lesson he hoped they would never forget. Congress authorized Jefferson to empower U.S. ships to seize all vessels and goods of the Pasha of Tripoli and to “cause to be done all other acts of precaution or hostility as the state of war would justify”.

    When Algiers and Tunis, who were both accustomed to American cowardice and acquiescence, saw the newly independent United States had both the will and the right to strike back, they quickly abandoned their allegiance to Tripoli. The war with Tripoli lasted for four more years, and raged up again in 1815. The bravery of the U.S. Marine Corps in these wars led to the line “to the shores of Tripoli” in the Marine Hymn, and they would forever be known as “leathernecks” for the leather collars of their uniforms, designed to prevent their heads from being cut off by the Muslim scimitars when boarding enemy ships.

    Islam, and what its Barbary followers justified doing in the name of their prophet and their god, disturbed Jefferson quite deeply.

    America had a tradition of religious tolerance, the fact that Jefferson, himself, had co-authored the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom, but fundamentalist Islam was like no other religion the world had ever seen. A religion based on supremacism, whose holy book not only condoned but mandated violence against unbelievers, was unacceptable to him. His greatest fear was that someday this brand of Islam would return and pose an even greater threat to the United States.

    This should bother every American. That Muslims have brought about women-only classes and swimming times at taxpayer-funded universities and public pools; that Christians, Jews, and Hindus have been banned from serving on juries where Muslim defendants are being judged; Piggy banks and Porky Pig tissue dispensers have been banned from workplaces because they offend Islamist sensibilities; ice cream has been discontinued at certain Burger King locations because the picture on the wrapper looks similar to the Arabic script for Allah; public schools are pulling pork from their menus; on and on and on and on….

    It’s death by a thousand cuts, or inch-by-inch as some refer to it, and most Americans have no idea that this battle is being waged every day across America. By not fighting back, by allowing groups to obfuscate what is really happening, and not insisting that the Islamist adapt to our own culture, the United States is cutting its own throat with a politically correct knife, and helping to further the Islamist agenda. Sadly, it appears that today’s America’s leaders would rather be politically correct than victorious!

    • Well less than 400 years ago wars were fought all over Europe over which brand of Christianity would prevail – a large part of my family arrived here because they professed a different brand of Christianity than the powers that be in their homelands. People were burned at the stake because they professed the Trinity to be composed of three separate beings!

      Christianity as we know it was formed as an Imperial religion by Emperor Constantine (sponsor of the Nicene Creed of 436) and imposed by force wherever it was adopted. And from 400 AD to well into the 1700’s heretics were tortured in terrible ways, worse than Dick Cheney ever imagined, and then burned to death.

      Now over time Christianity has evolved into a smorgasbord of practices, sort of like the Vedic religions, and except for a few outliers doesn’t torture or kill unbelievers. Or apostates. However, our “ally” Saudi Arabia, kingdom ruled by the House of Saud and definitely not a democracy, and from whence came all but 2 or 3 of the 9-11 hijackers, actually executes apostates by cutting their heads off and executes adulterers by dropping large rocks on their head until they are dead. The House of Saud funds fundamentalist Wahabi mosques all over the world that are a breeding ground for trouble. If we are really in a war with fundamentalist Islam, as you say Wayne, why is our government providing arms and protection to the source and funder of its spread? Why is a US oligarchic family that has produced two Presidents and may soon another in bed with these guys? I’m talking about the Bush clan, which makes money for itself and the House of Saud in a long-term partnership that has reaped several wars and consistent profits for the Bush and Saud families?

      If you are really a patriot, why do you support the party of these corrupt oligarchs, who serve foreign despots before American citizens? Who use the apparatus of US military might to enrich themselves and their sponsors?

      • David,

        I am a Libertarian.

    • Blah, blah, blah. Stuff and nonsense.

      • That should read “Stuff and nonsense, Wayne.”


  22. This comment thread is a perfect example of why religion should not be allowed anywhere near government. If you want to argue about how much we should hate Muslims, go do it on Reddit, and let the elected officials do their jobs.

  23. […] gears, remember that State Senator who went on a racist rant in a committee meeting? The one who represents a majority Latino district? His comments drew protests from young community […]

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